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Dee's Happy Place

Hi all,
I am starting up a tank again after 6 years. I know this is a reef forum but my tank will be FOWLR with Macro.
My last tank, (20 gallon x-high with a 10 gallon fuge) had live rock that 3 plants popped out of and grew like crazy without me doing anything special (big mistake letting that rock go but we were moving and Hurricane Sandy hit at same time so everything live went to pet store in next town that had power) Had seahorses first (my Avatar was my little girl), when I lost them, I had a Picasso Clown, Royal Gramma, Yellow Clown Goby and a Firefish (that committed suicide). Of course with an excellent clean up crew (the peppermint shrimp got big enough to eat lol)

My husband only agreed to a new tank because I said it would not flood (old tank protein skimmer hung outside the fuge) and will be covered so not bad salt creep (old fuge was on metal stand and totally open, not in a closed cabinet). I went into Petco and saw that the 20 gallon high had the perfect footprint for the shelf I wanted to put it on.
Woo hoo!
I am planning on building an in tank filter (display will be 12x18x16). ) I have my black acrylic, protein skimmer (Aquatic Life Protein Mini Skimmer) and waiting on return pump (Cobalt 900 Multi-Purpose Powerhead Pump) The first chamber will be filter media, second skimmer and third, return with heater. Because the tank is tall, I was thinking of putting rubble in bottom of first and second chambers (fish only tank)I have a Current Satellite I bought at closeout before move(brand new in the box) with bulb, not LED.

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Was visiting family in Clifton so just had to go to Absolutely Fish. I used to take my son there to see the fish when he was little. I have read posts in past about it being expensive and not good salespeople but it was a great visit and comparable. For fish prices, the Royal Gramma was equal or cheaper then on line places people use. And they had many different horticulture clowns! Colors, patterns... had to walk away so didn't see one I wanted yet.
So, I picked a nice live rock, 2.5 pounds (isn't it purty?) Live rock got cheaper the more pounds you buy but was too much for me to put all live in. I brought the 5 gallon bucket with me and she covered the rock with water to take home.
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Then I got my dry rock... had the salesgirl holding the rock as I asked, "okay, which rock is lighter?" until I got two nice "holy rocks" of good size. I was able to pick the dry rock I wanted for $3 a pound, 7.5 pounds (was actually surprised my husband didn't complain that he was paying for rocks lol)
I asked another salesman if he had any macro and he said he had some red graciliaria. Couldn't help myself so in the bucket it waits.... wish I asked for half portion but it didn't look that big in container. And there is little bit of chaeto and maybe grape in with it too... will watch that grape.

There is so much I have forgotten and new things that have come out in the last 6 years but I am sooooo excited to get my tank again, so please be patient with questions.
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etmanning1

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Welcome! I’m a huge fan of macros as well. Keep us updated on the progress.


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Tuckerton, Ocean County
I'm a block away from the marshes of the Forsythe Nature Preserve. Had a bunch of egg laying turtles!!
 
Pump came today along with 10 more pounds of rock (just didn't look full enough with what I got because tank is so high)
Picked up 20 one gallon jugs of distilled water from Walmart. Funny thing was, check out lady didn't even blink on that. I asked her if she was even a little curious lol
Still a little stuck on how I am going to do the baffles (may stick another one in between skimmer and return). Stopped at Lowes and they had a couple scrap pieces of .118 acrylic. When I asked the guy how much, he said he couldn't sell it to me.... then smiled and said I could have it. They were perfect size!
I just keep debating on gluing or silicone. I'm not sure it will go in easy if I glue because of the rim on the tank...
 

DangerDave

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Tuckerton, Ocean County
I'm a block away from the marshes of the Forsythe Nature Preserve. Had a bunch of egg laying turtles!!

Nice, I’m on the other side of the marsh on Osborne. There are a few of us in the area on here.
 
Nice, I’m on the other side of the marsh on Osborne. There are a few of us in the area on here.
Fantastic! I asked in Facebook's Newswatch Tuckerton if there was anyone in the area and couple told me about this site.
We made an offer on a house on Osborne but couldn't agree.
 
Okay, so I've been busy!

Filter is set up and done!

I was afraid the pump might be too strong so I made it to diffuse like I had for my seahorses. It will be easier on the macro and if you notice, my heater is behind (couldn't fit in the filter area). There are several holes in the diffuser that will be pointing in the direction of that corner... right now they are facing us for the picture. I'll be painting it black to blend in.

Excited to put the sand, rocks and water in... didn't realize it is so hard to seascape, especially since the live rock is still in the bucket lol (Debating on breaking that one into couple pieces)

And the macro has been growing in there too

Quick question... since there is live sand, a 4.5 pound live rock and the 5 gallons of water it has been in for the past month going into the tank, do you think there will still be a cycle?
 

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So those rocks!!!

I had a beautiful seascape made, filled tank with sand, then water and realized all the rock was forward with all the space in the back! So silly me tried to push it back. Yeah, didn't work.

Took top rocks out and tried to move middle bottom one but still didn't work... all it did was kick up the sand so took all out and waited till this morning for sand to settle to try again.

Put three bottom foundation rocks in cardboard box to check placement... looked good, went in right... moved little here and there... waited for sand to settle.

Put on next level, mixed in pieces of live rock, finished and it looked amazing... until I realized the nice looking part of the bridge rock was facing the back! So started over again.

My idea of having the rocks higher on the right changed and my artist eye wants the hole off center but l think it looks good. Stupid rocks

DIY filter seems to be working great. Second set of sponge filters are in there for emergency and bio. Thought I had a single holder but have two doubles. Don't know how I did that. shrugging

Sponge in display is coming out after the cycle.

Which I need to ask...
20181007_190323.jpg 20181007_190331.jpg I used 4.5 pounds of live rock and 20 lbs live sand. The live rock went right into the bucket of water from the pet store so no die off. The sponge filter was in the bucket with the live rock and macro for the 2 weeks while getting tank ready. And the plant had light and was growing in the bucket. I also put the 5 gallons of water it all came in into the tank...

So, considering all this, how long should the cycle be?
 
My understanding is that you can't really predict how long it will take, but you can do things to speed up the process and use ammonia/nitrite/nitrate tests to tell where you are. It's not a once cycled, all done, kind of thing, I think of it as a dynamic equilibrium, in which the entire system is trying to balance volume of beneficial bacteria with amount of waste (bacteria food), too much of one is not good. For example, you don't feed for a week. Livestock produce less waste, bacteria have less food, so some will die off to reach a new equilibrium. Suddenly, you add 4 fish and start feeding heavily. Not enough bacteria to handle the sudden influx of ammonia/nitrite, so those those levels go up with associated negative effects, until bacteria volume catches up and brings those levels back down (another cycle).

So, my limited actual experience but nerdy sounding thoughts on your tank is that the way your tank is set up, it will "cycle" quickly on paper/tests, but you don't have a constant ammonia source, so the volume of beneficial bacteria needed is lets say small. I would consider adding some sort of waste source (decaying shrimp, live fish, your own #1) to build up the bacterial buffer, so that when you start adding fish, your tank will be better able to handle.
 

diana a

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I agree with most of what is said above with the exception of using a live fish. Use flakes or piece of raw shrimp. A good sign of the end of a cycle is when diatoms/green film algaes start to show up.
 
My understanding is that you can't really predict how long it will take, but you can do things to speed up the process and use ammonia/nitrite/nitrate tests to tell where you are. It's not a once cycled, all done, kind of thing, I think of it as a dynamic equilibrium, in which the entire system is trying to balance volume of beneficial bacteria with amount of waste (bacteria food), too much of one is not good. For example, you don't feed for a week. Livestock produce less waste, bacteria have less food, so some will die off to reach a new equilibrium. Suddenly, you add 4 fish and start feeding heavily. Not enough bacteria to handle the sudden influx of ammonia/nitrite, so those those levels go up with associated negative effects, until bacteria volume catches up and brings those levels back down (another cycle).

So, my limited actual experience but nerdy sounding thoughts on your tank is that the way your tank is set up, it will "cycle" quickly on paper/tests, but you don't have a constant ammonia source, so the volume of beneficial bacteria needed is lets say small. I would consider adding some sort of waste source (decaying shrimp, live fish, your own #1) to build up the bacterial buffer, so that when you start adding fish, your tank will be better able to handle.
Thank you for your nerdy sounding thoughts, they are really appreciated. :) I'll be near Absolutely Fish next week so was hoping with the live sand and stuff it would be ready.... I do have a test kit to test. Well, we will see what a week brings.
 
I agree with most of what is said above with the exception of using a live fish. Use flakes or piece of raw shrimp. A good sign of the end of a cycle is when diatoms/green film algaes start to show up.
Yes, I am hesitant using live fish also.
The diatoms :stupid: Forgot about the diatoms! Thank you!
 
So this little guy was waving to me the other day. I found myself talking to it like Dory was talking to Squishy... what a cute little itty bitty guy you are... Then I thought I should look up the good and bad hitchhikers and the booger disappeared! I think he's laughing at me.20181009_185152.jpg
Ammonia levels were .25 for two days and is negative now. Nitrates were 2.5 but at 5 now. I think it may be ready for fish when I'm in Clifton on Sunday :)
 
Two fish added to the tank... looks so empty and it's hard to wait to not add more too quickly lol
The kid gave me a Cerith instead of Nassarius grrr
Meet Mocha and Benny
There is only one clown, the other is his reflection. The goby is "hiding" in the macro, lower right.20181016_153423.jpg
 
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