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Do you have a Herbie Overflow? Poll, link, and photo request

Do you or have you had a Herbie Overflow in a reef aquarium

  • I had one in the past.

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  • It will be in my next reef tank.

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  • I prefer/ use the Durso Standpipe

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HERBIE OVERFLOW
If you employ a Herbie overflow in your plumbing, could you add a photo, if practical, and your thought on it in your set up, such as problems, tips, or suggestions. I am trying to learn more about them and our NJRC members may as well.

In a reef tank, a Herbie overflow is a method employing a tuned siphon gravity drain method to bring aquarium water to a lower open sump with a safety overflow backup. Gravity provides the energy to drain water to a lower level. The main Herbie standpipe uses a siphon to drain the overflow/tank, even though this siphon never rises above the sump’s water surface. The siphon allows a much faster flow rate in the pipe. A precision valve is used to control the siphon flow fate. If the flow is perfect, the siphon removes water as fast as the return pump brings it back into the tank. If the drain removes water too fast, the syphon will break, causing large noise and fluctuating water levels. If it doesn’t drain water fast enough (or gets clogged) water will rise and overflow the tank unless or until it starts to flow down the emergency drain. The emergency drain must be able to drain this water faster than the pump can return it, so it often is a larger diameter drain. Since flow changes over time, there is usually some flow going down the emergency drain. The primary advantage of a Herbie it quiets typical drains and provides a backup.

If you are new to the hobby, or new to sump overflow plumbing, this is one or the three main types of overflow methods you may want to understand. Here is the best source I have found for the Herbie method.

http://gmacreef.com/herbie-overflow-reef-tank-plumbing-method-basics/

This diagram from the Marine Depot Website does a good job of simply describing the components of a Herbie Standpipe.
Herbie-1 Diagram from Marine Depot.jpg
I noticed the new waterbox reef aquarium systems with sumps appear to employ the herbie overflow.
HErbie Waterbox.JPG
 
I used a Herbie overflow on 2 tanks once you dial it in it's pretty much silent. Running a bean animal now which is pretty much the same just an extra drain.
 
I used a Herbie overflow on 2 tanks once you dial it in it's pretty much silent. Running a bean animal now which is pretty much the same just an extra drain.
How often did you have to adjust it? Do you find this to be needed less often with the bean animal?
 
You have to make minor adjustments (gate valve) after water changes and if any debris gets on the strainer. Auto top off is important. Without it the level would be erratic. If I were building another tank I would use it again, but make the emergency even bigger for more ease of mind.

PS: Only use a gate valve, you can't do fine adjustments with a regular ball valve. And if you did, it would drive you crazy.
 
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Mark_C

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Just set up an eshopps overflow. Its pretty much set up as a Herbie.
I had no idea how to operate it as a Herbie (first time I hard plumbed a tank).
Did my best to keep noise to a minimum.
Thought I did well until Horseplay stopped by today, made some adjustments, and now its dead silent. :)

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Just set up an eshopps overflow. Its pretty much set up as a Herbie.
I had no idea how to operate it as a Herbie (first time I hard plumbed a tank).
Did my best to keep noise to a minimum.
Thought I did well until Horseplay stopped by today, made some adjustments, and now its dead silent. :)

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I was wondering how yours works as I didn't see the screen over the low outlet. I guess I can inspect it in a few weeks. Did you use a ball valve?
 

Mark_C

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Yeah, I have a ball valve on the low pipe overflow pipe. Just closed it little by little until the top of the water level hit the emergency overflow. A few minutes later everything levelled out and now I have to strain to hear it.
Dont know anything about a screen. I just opted not to use the short standpipe (as in the above illustration) and put the strainer right into the bulkhead.
 
Yeah, I have a ball valve on the low pipe overflow pipe. Just closed it little by little until the top of the water level hit the emergency overflow. A few minutes later everything levelled out and now I have to strain to hear it.
Dont know anything about a screen. I just opted not to use the short standpipe (as in the above illustration) and put the strainer right into the bulkhead.
It would seem that you need to do that to get the height difference.
 

DangerDave

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They're quite and reliable. If you have the space for a 3rd, do the bean. More failsafes are always better.
 
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