feems said:I hear what your saying, but when you have a local fish store that sells you things and gives you bad advice thats where my problem was. I only started coming on these forums when things started going wrong and i started losing corals, well you right and if anyone is interested in an elagence or sun coral please let me know as i dont want to lose them, i would rather see them in a reef where someone knows how to care for them, and thru this forum and lots of questions i can grow my knowledge and in the future upgrade to a bigger tank and try it again.