Paul B
NJRC Member
I would like to start a thread about fish and how they differ from Humans. How they are better or worse than us and how their systems function differently.
I know when we keep, medicate or just think of fish, we feel they are a lot like us. They are not. Most of us are very different than fish in almost every way. Every organ, including skin, brain, kidney eyes etc. is different than ours.
Lets take skin. Most of us are not covered in scales. Some fish don't have scales but those are covered in thick slime that discourages pathogens and parasites and probably tastes bad so larger fish don't want to eat them. Mandarins come to mind.
I once added a small mandarin to my fully stocked reef and before it made it to the bottom it was immediately eaten by a larger fish. I think it was a Watchman Gobi. The Watchman looked at me with a horrified look and couldn't open it's mouth fast enough to spit the unfortunate, but lucky fish out. That mandarin was fine and maybe even enjoyed the experience as it went on to live many happy years in my tank.
The scales are there to protect the fish from a variety of things and are like a Samauri suit of armor. It is very hard for a parasite to get through these scales and the "spots" we see on the scales of a fish are not harming it.
Those parasites are just resting and maybe thinking of how to get inside this huge "all you can eat buffet".
If the parasite doesn't get into the gills it will fail in it's mission and depending on where it is in it's reproductive cycle it will just die a slow and maybe peaceful death.
Even if the parasite gets into the gills or down the fish's throat, if the fish is healthy, it's immunity will repel or even kill the nasty parasite because fish are covered in slime all over it and in the gills, throat and stomach.
Under the scales, a fish skin is semi porous almost like the membrane of a reverse osmosis filter. Pheromones, and some salts can penetrate the skin. Our skin is waterproof and is dead on the outside. A fish's skin is alive all the way through and if a fish's skin gets cut, it will heal, with the help of the living slime and the fish will heal without a scar. We are not so lucky.
Slime is exuded in many places on the skin and its water soluble so it must be renewed constantly. Just like many female Humans re-apply make up every day.
The slime, in a healthy, immune fish has no problem dealing with parasites, bacteria, viruses and funguses as that is what it is there for. Long quarantine, long periods of stress and many medications will impede the slime's role in disease management.
But where does the slime get the information on what pathogens it should repel? Simple. It gets it from it's gut bacteria, the same place we get information to our immune system to protect us.
We have two kidneys but fish have only one. It is huge and one of the largest organs in a fish except for the swim bladder which most, but not all fish have. In fish it's called a "Head Kidney" and extends from it's head most of the way to the rear of the fish and that kidney works with the gut bacteria to design the exact type of protection the fish needs to add to it's slime.
Another thing on a fish's skin is its lateral line and it is probably the most important thing on a fish. It is the faint line you can see on most fish that goes from its eye to its tail. It is a series of nerves or tiny open pits that allows the fish to "feel" everything in its surroundings. Even behind it. That is the reason fish don't crash into the glass even at night and why we can't catch a fish with a net in the open sea unless we cheat and corner it against a rock or another net. Fish have no problems evading objects and most predators. Of course, fish do get eaten, but that's because predators also have a lateral line.
You can clearly see the lateral line on this fluke.
I feel the reason some fish are flattened laterally like a Copperband Butterfly, Lookdown or tangs is to allow the lateral line to be longer as it goes up almost to its dorsal fin then down to it's tail. I also feel that's why those types of fish are more susceptible to HLLE which always starts at the head where the lateral line enters the brain of the fish. Those nerves get "hyper excited" from all the input into the line from the glass sides, bottom and surface of the water. The fish were not designed to live in a tank in 14" of water so eventually, with all the inputs, that part of the fish just rots away. HLLE doesn't happen in the sea, only captive fish get it.
We still have eyes, reproduction, stress, longevity and a few other things to discuss and I'm sure there are many people that know more about fish than I do.
I will get back to this later.
I know when we keep, medicate or just think of fish, we feel they are a lot like us. They are not. Most of us are very different than fish in almost every way. Every organ, including skin, brain, kidney eyes etc. is different than ours.
Lets take skin. Most of us are not covered in scales. Some fish don't have scales but those are covered in thick slime that discourages pathogens and parasites and probably tastes bad so larger fish don't want to eat them. Mandarins come to mind.

I once added a small mandarin to my fully stocked reef and before it made it to the bottom it was immediately eaten by a larger fish. I think it was a Watchman Gobi. The Watchman looked at me with a horrified look and couldn't open it's mouth fast enough to spit the unfortunate, but lucky fish out. That mandarin was fine and maybe even enjoyed the experience as it went on to live many happy years in my tank.
The scales are there to protect the fish from a variety of things and are like a Samauri suit of armor. It is very hard for a parasite to get through these scales and the "spots" we see on the scales of a fish are not harming it.
Those parasites are just resting and maybe thinking of how to get inside this huge "all you can eat buffet".
If the parasite doesn't get into the gills it will fail in it's mission and depending on where it is in it's reproductive cycle it will just die a slow and maybe peaceful death.
Even if the parasite gets into the gills or down the fish's throat, if the fish is healthy, it's immunity will repel or even kill the nasty parasite because fish are covered in slime all over it and in the gills, throat and stomach.
Under the scales, a fish skin is semi porous almost like the membrane of a reverse osmosis filter. Pheromones, and some salts can penetrate the skin. Our skin is waterproof and is dead on the outside. A fish's skin is alive all the way through and if a fish's skin gets cut, it will heal, with the help of the living slime and the fish will heal without a scar. We are not so lucky.
Slime is exuded in many places on the skin and its water soluble so it must be renewed constantly. Just like many female Humans re-apply make up every day.
The slime, in a healthy, immune fish has no problem dealing with parasites, bacteria, viruses and funguses as that is what it is there for. Long quarantine, long periods of stress and many medications will impede the slime's role in disease management.
But where does the slime get the information on what pathogens it should repel? Simple. It gets it from it's gut bacteria, the same place we get information to our immune system to protect us.
We have two kidneys but fish have only one. It is huge and one of the largest organs in a fish except for the swim bladder which most, but not all fish have. In fish it's called a "Head Kidney" and extends from it's head most of the way to the rear of the fish and that kidney works with the gut bacteria to design the exact type of protection the fish needs to add to it's slime.
Another thing on a fish's skin is its lateral line and it is probably the most important thing on a fish. It is the faint line you can see on most fish that goes from its eye to its tail. It is a series of nerves or tiny open pits that allows the fish to "feel" everything in its surroundings. Even behind it. That is the reason fish don't crash into the glass even at night and why we can't catch a fish with a net in the open sea unless we cheat and corner it against a rock or another net. Fish have no problems evading objects and most predators. Of course, fish do get eaten, but that's because predators also have a lateral line.
You can clearly see the lateral line on this fluke.

I feel the reason some fish are flattened laterally like a Copperband Butterfly, Lookdown or tangs is to allow the lateral line to be longer as it goes up almost to its dorsal fin then down to it's tail. I also feel that's why those types of fish are more susceptible to HLLE which always starts at the head where the lateral line enters the brain of the fish. Those nerves get "hyper excited" from all the input into the line from the glass sides, bottom and surface of the water. The fish were not designed to live in a tank in 14" of water so eventually, with all the inputs, that part of the fish just rots away. HLLE doesn't happen in the sea, only captive fish get it.
We still have eyes, reproduction, stress, longevity and a few other things to discuss and I'm sure there are many people that know more about fish than I do.
I will get back to this later.