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harlequinreef

oh MR. DUH man...doesnt something have to be alive to die? an element can change or decay, but wouldnt it just form something else??? sorry, this is going way off topic
 
redfishbluefish

redfishbluefish

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harlequinreef said:
jonathon, can you tell me the half life of potassium??? ;D
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Come on…it’s winter time, so all the potassium is dead. The answer would therefore be zero. You can’t fool me with these trick questions! ;D ;D ;D
 
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jonathan.

harlequinreef said:
oh MR. DUH man...doesnt something have to be alive to die? an element can change or decay, but wouldnt it just form something else??? sorry, this is going way off topic
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Hahaha, well obviously!

Though I still attest to viruses being alive somehow.

YGPM
 
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puffanatic

Wow I just looked..Gold and Silver elements are found in the ocean..Forget sea water for the tanks..We should be find out a way to extract this from the water..lol..No more recession!!
 
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SurfnTurf

njstillwell said:
You say you surf(AS DO I) so the only time i would get sea water is when that water gets very tropical for those two weeks in the mid summer when that water is crystal clear and blue and even then i would filter it out for maybe a week along with skimming. Down at lbi it usually hits the middle of July so maybe then you can get good water if you read the local times from the shore during the summer like those news papers no one reads they sometimes tell you people are snorkeling and seeing Caribbean fish for those weeks out in the wrecks off lbi
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I don't know about that 2 week, midsummer one either (although midsummer is usually a very flat time for surf) - our local ocean can get crystal clear any time of year but clear doesn't mean clean. Since our NE area outsourced most of our manufacturing to Asia long ago, the southern gulf stream water ruining by our shores on its way to the UK may have more farm runoff and other pollutants (think of all the orange pits, gator pee, and sun tan lotion potential) but I don't know for sure. I don't like to rely on guessing (no matter how many chem classes a person sat through) and beer can reefer guy and repo man are two real world examples where local ocean water worked, for at least some types of coral. I'll always take reality over theory.
 
redfishbluefish

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puffanatic said:
Wow I just looked..Gold and Silver elements are found in the ocean..Forget sea water for the tanks..We should be find out a way to extract this from the water..lol..No more recession!!
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There use to be a recovery plant in Cape May. I believe the reason it closed was that it cost more to extract the trace elements than the elements worth.

Not to mention that the elements die in the winter. ;D ;D :eek:
 
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njstillwell

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Last time i checked you asked about a of taking saltwater from the ocean and people gave input on what they had thought or done regardless of it being believable is another topic of discussion for another forum, if you feel that the water is polluted the don't use it here's a good brain teaser what about all those tropical companies that don't have anything like government that has restricted companies in the united states from dumping straight into the ocean, tropical countries have none of this in place and are dumping right into the ocean and yet the reefs are still there isn't it amazing what the corals/fish can endure people are just giving input and ideas in which the title of this post states which makes a club like this great 8)
 
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harlequinreef

njstillwell said:
here's a good brain teaser what about all those tropical companies that don't have anything like government that has restricted companies in the united states from dumping straight into the ocean, tropical countries have none of this in place and are dumping right into the ocean and yet the reefs are still there isn't it amazing what the corals/fish can endure people are just giving input and ideas in which the title of this post states which makes a club like this great 8)
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woah man...do make me get all environmental science up in this thread! just because there is no restrictions doesnt make corals tolerate waste dumping. If you were to dive any reef near a ports or cities or rivermouths, you can clearly see the damage humans have caused. And I'm not talking about cyanide or fish bombing. Simple sedimentation, sun tan lotion, and industrial waste is bad for coral reefs i assure you.
 
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harlequinreef

i'm sorry I dont know what you mean by in general. Unless you mean that world wide, the reefs are generally in decline due to water quality degradation, as well as many other factors. And I dont feel NJ's water is too polluted, just know when and where to collect it and how to treat it to make it more suitable for a CLOSED system. In a closed system, certain contaminants will accumulate over time, unlike open systems that receive a constant flushing.

Heres my reason for NOT using coastal water for MY tanks. NJ's coastal waters are at their most "polluted" in the summer months for a couple of reasons. 1. phytoplankton blooms mid spring, dies off, then blooms again in mid summer to a lesser extent. This is not as controllable as using a phyto supplement and will lead to nutrient issues long term 2. people are swimming loaded with sun tan lotion proven to be detrimental to coral reefs. 3. heavier boat traffic will inevitably leach more fuels and wastes into the water. How many boats do you think actually use the required facilities to empty their toilet? Its easier to dump on the go. So what if its illegal, there is little enforment :-\ 4. heavier storms creating sediment runoff, lots or fertilizer use, water fowl waste, horse and dog waste etc. will all eventually reach the ocean. 5. The toxic chemicals used to water seal docks, bulkheads and boat bottoms does KILL INVERTS which is what makes these structures last underwater. I believe this is a copper substance. 6. Human waste water, although technically safe to drink after tertiary treatment does contain organic nutrients or algae fuel and is dumped 3 miles offshore through a network of diffuser pipes. 7. this should have been inserted between 4 and 5. The constant construction of impervious surfaces funnels all the low pH, highly degraded rain water into local waterways rather than allowing rain water to seep into and restore our groundwater reserves. Thanks. -Austin
 
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ds4x4

I know that alot of deck sealent does NOT use copper. I know this because we make the Water proofing liquid right here in NJ at DuPont. While it is probably toxic i doubt most out there has copper in it. Copper would be a poor choice anyway. there are no properties that make copper a good sealer especially in a saltwater environment.


OK back to what you were saying :)
 
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harlequinreef

ds4x4, is the deck sealent you are talking about the same product that pilings and bulkhead materials are saturated in? One of the major contributing factors for the decline of eel grass Zostera marina is the use of one or more of the chemicals used to prevent burrowing marine worms, ship worms, from destroying the bulkheads and dock work. What ever component it is, I could have sworn it was a form of copper, used to treat this marine wood work is also responsible for the reduced diversity and decline in shellfish populations throughout the north east. If I find the reference I used to site the paper on this a while back I will post a link up here.
 
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njstillwell

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the point was to just get ideas thats all john thats all
 
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ds4x4

no we dont make that kind for the pilings but docks/decking. i think the stuff you are talking about is almost like a tar is some cases. it's pretty nasty stuff i believe they use it on telephone poles as well
 
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