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When you Buy your Corals & Fish - Test their Tank Water - or else.

I'm in the buy lots of fish and coral stage of my new tank. I had been having some bad experience with fish from Hidden Reef, and not so much from a lot of other places. Thankfully Everything is going into qurantine which minimizes my losses and increases my ability to treat diseases before introducing into my tank. Here is what I Found.


Hidden Reef

In my Sneak Test their fish systems are running at 1.008-1.009ppm to 1.015 in the fish Banks - 1.024 in the Coral Systems. 1.024 in the Invert Sytems
No where in the store is this advertised. Say your the average reefer and you go buy a new fish drip it for a hour and then add it to your tank. You just went from 1.009 to 1.025 in your display in 1 hour. Your almost guaranteed to kill the damn fish. I know I lost over 200 Dollars in Fish from them

Potters
Flame Angel
Mimic tang
Fairy Wrasses

In this scenario you HAVE use a qurantine system.


Feng Reef

Systems Running at 1.015. I was told of the Low Salinity and Therapeutic levels of copper in the water before purchasing. I was also advised to introduce the fish into a qurantine system with the same salinity and use the water I replaced to lower the salanity in the quarantine to top off the quarantine system over the next few days slowly raising the salinity back which is a sharp way of doing things.



The long and short of it is that I test the water my fish come in now 100% of the time. Its the smallest of things that cause MAJOR issues and Losses. In a Hobby where there is no Gurantee that a 5000 Gem Tang is going to survive its shipping, the little people like me get hurt loosing that 150 dollar Purple Tang in qurantine. Many shops are now adpoting this Lower Salnity, Formalin Medicated Water (Aquarium Center), or in some cases Quinine Sulfate to reduce disease or appearance of disease in their systems.


The Plus


Diseases are not Visible on Fish in the Store. (Good for Them)
Prolonged Use of Disease Killing Chemicals will sterilize a Fish system over time and lead to reduced fish diseases.
Lower Salinity means more Oxygen For the fish and better disease fighting abilities

The Cons


If your treating with copper you are slowly poisoning a fish. Studies have shown that copper by itself will reduce the lifespan of our fish. Prolonged use is not reccomended.
Quninie Sulfate is Great and is removed and broken down easily. Theres no test readily available for it though. Too Much and you Burn your Fish too Little and its not effective.
Its not being advertised about low salinity situations because if it was that could lead to uncomfortable questions about diseases, what kind of diseases the store has, and the origins of the shipment.
Consumers are not being told the dangers of rapid salinity shock and pH swings.
For reefers.. it means that a qurantine system is as important as the skimmer and return pump for your system. It shouldn't be optional. It should be a requirement.
 
Great info and very well written. I'm glad your coming around to the "don't buy fish from Hidden Reef club"
 
I was there returning and getting credit for a mimic tang that was about to bite the dust. Hadnt eaten In quite a while. I had to find all this information out by asking and ultimately grabbing water samples in peepee cups for testing at home. This isn't a bash hidden reef thread but I plan to do the same for every lfs I go into and report here


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Great article...very well written and some good information. Certainly would be good to always test your water that comes with your fish even from a fish store you trust.
 

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Nicely written. I would also add

Find out how long someone has had that fish or coral in there system
What are they feeding that fish or coral and how often
Take note of what type of lighting is being used (not such a biggie with fish but a huge deal with corals)
 
One question I just don't know the answer to, isn't 1.008-9 below the 1.010-12 area used for hyposalinity for ich? What is the long term damage for the fish at such low levels, assuming they are not all mollies or something, I do know that some bodily functions are more stressful at hypo levels.

OK checking I have used the slightly higher levels for my QT tanks...but 08-09 is also an alternative level that I am seeing however the latter question still applies.
 
I got my back ordered line spot flasher wrasse from LiveAquaria today
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The thing was next to dead and very salted looking. I checked the salinity and it was 1.016

I called and told them the sent the wrong fish. This last order with them has been nothing but problems. Sending the wrong fish was just the icing on the cake. They have botched this order up completely
 
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