Feedback for QT setup

[ryanpal]

hey guys. i have this same post on another forum, but i'm looking for a good amount of feedback. i would love to hear your insite. here's the post:

i wanted to obtain some feeback on a QT setup for a angler.

My QT setup exists as the following:

10 gal tank
mn 404 mini jet powerhead
pvc pipe
air stone

Water changes every 2/3 days...

This is for an angler thats 2-3 inches. Is this acceptable?

thanks in advance.

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[9supratt4]

I'd say it is....I have a blue/green chromis, a orange spotted goby and a sick clown goby in a 10 gallon with a heater, some LR and a HOB filter

 

[JRWOHLER]

I would look to do almost daily water changes, and try to get some bacteria in a sponge like supra has.

 

[mnat]

Another note, you generally don't want live rock or sand in a QT as you are giving the parasites/bacteria a place to hang out off of the fish. If you look at QT you will see pvc piping or coffee mugs to give the fish somewhere to hide/swim around which will not harbor bad things.

 

[9supratt4]

I would look to do almost daily water changes, and try to get some bacteria in a sponge like supra has.

Yes....I have 2 sponge like things that I leave in my sump of my DT....when I need to use my QT I simply move the 2 sponges to the HOB on the 10 Gallon and instant cycled QT!!

 

[JRWOHLER]

That is really the best way to do it.
Bare bottom has statistically proven to be better, less chance of becoming reinfected.
Likely because it is easier to clean and not so easy to attach to.
Cleaning daily will also help to a degree with this.

 

[hurtback]

with the wonderment of the web and all its information that's available and ALL the other SW forums, has anyone come across an ' outline ' for QT'ing fish/corals?
like the type of setup used, what to include in the tank, how to go about QT'ing

was just wondering ....

 

[nyaquatic]

with the wonderment of the web and all its information that's available and ALL the other SW forums, has anyone come across an ' outline ' for QT'ing fish/corals?
like the type of setup used, what to include in the tank, how to go about QT'ing

was just wondering ....

Here's a brief one I put up, FWIW

http://nyaquatic.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/quarantine-tanks/

 

[hurtback]

with the wonderment of the web and all its information that's available and ALL the other SW forums, has anyone come across an ' outline ' for QT'ing fish/corals?
like the type of setup used, what to include in the tank, how to go about QT'ing

was just wondering ....

Here's a brief one I put up, FWIW

http://nyaquatic.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/quarantine-tanks/

after i posted this i went online checking and i did come across yours--which i liked---gonna do more checking today.....
thanks
steve

 

[nyaquatic]

I'd say it is....I have a blue/green chromis, a orange spotted goby and a sick clown goby in a 10 gallon with a heater, some LR and a HOB filter

the issue isn't the tank size, which is fine.
You have both a HOB filter and LR, both of which provide biological filtration.
He has neither, which is a problem.

That's ultimately the danger of the internet.
There's so much unfiltered information out there.
I'm sure some people somewhere had success with this setup, and then the idea spreads.

 

[JRWOHLER]

Thanks for the link NYA, get your emails but never noticed the tips.
Your tang input is realistic and right on. (Hippo/Naso) owner for what it is worth.
Sorry for the small off topic part.

 

[Hawkeye]

the issue isn't the tank size, which is fine.
You have both a HOB filter and LR, both of which provide biological filtration.
He has neither, which is a problem.

Disagree. I run two clownfish fry tanks with no lr, no sponge. Daily water changes are fine. Granted if I skip a day I increase the water change amount. But I've got rotifers, baby brine shrimp, fry - all pooping, dying, etc. The mass is far greater then a single slow moving angler.

A fish can tolerate a fair amount of ammonia in a tank. Are you claiming that when multiple fish are packaged together in a small bag and shipped 24 hrs overseas that they cannot survive? He's got ONE fish in 10 gallons of water. Give me a break. Which leads me to my next statement below:

That's ultimately the danger of the internet.

What's dangerous is you, a vendor coming here trying to undermine a member of our club. You need to take this off-line and do it privately.

 

[Rbu1]

the issue isn't the tank size, which is fine.
You have both a HOB filter and LR, both of which provide biological filtration.
He has neither, which is a problem.

Disagree. I run two clownfish fry tanks with no lr, no sponge. Daily water changes are fine. Granted if I skip a day I increase the water change amount. But I've got rotifers, baby brine shrimp, fry - all pooping, dying, etc. The mass is far greater then a single slow moving angler.

A fish can tolerate a fair amount of ammonia in a tank. Are you claiming that when multiple fish are packaged together in a small bag and shipped 24 hrs overseas that they cannot survive? He's got ONE fish in 10 gallons of water. Give me a break. Which leads me to my next statement below:

That's ultimately the danger of the internet.

What's dangerous is you, a vendor coming here trying to undermine a member of our club. You need to take this off-line and do it privately.

WOW this is a little harsh don't you think....Especially from a moderator.

Amonnia is not good to have in any tank and I am not sure were you get that info from. Can fish tolerate low levels sure but you should try to avoid it at all costs.

Just because a member had an issue with a vendor does not make it right for a moderator of this club to degrade people like that. We all have issues with people/stores but there is always 2 sides to a story.

 

[Hawkeye]

Oh lighten up for once rbu1. From what I understand ryanpal made a request for feedback. Instead - this vendor jumps all over him and now follows him to this thread.

Why? 6 posts and all he can do is badger ryanpal?

Sheesh - just because i'm a mod I can't speak up to defend others?

 

[Hawkeye]

Amonnia is not good to have in any tank and I am not sure were you get that info from. Can fish tolerate low levels sure but you should try to avoid it at all costs.

ok - I will retract my statement and say that fish can tolerate up to about 2ppm of Ammonia. That is my definition of "fair amount". Higher than that my fry start dying left and right. I get that info based on experience raising clownfish fry.

You are missing the point entirely which is that the QT is not the issue - the issue is ryanpal has a problem with this vendor and this vendor coming onto this thread and pushing his agenda (again). The whole original point to ryanpal's thread was that this guy was coming in under different handles pushing his QT method. now here he is again.
Just leave it be already!

what a messs. now if I was harsh in my last post - I did not mean it but the guy shouldn't be chasing ryanpayl all over njrc.

 

[Rbu1]

I don't agree with your ammonia comment and I am trying to research it now. I think I remeber reading you never want to go above .8 or damage will be done to the fish. I will get back with the info.

I understand your point of the following around but being a victim myself of people spreading false accusations I can understand his passion....

 

[ryanpal]

I understand your point of the following around but being a victim myself of people spreading false accusations I can understand his passion....

rbu1, are you referring to my post about having false accusations? if so, please point out where. this thread was to obtain feedback on my setup. in this post i didn't make any references to nyaquatic, nor try to make a biased post towards my 10 gal not having filtration.

 

[Rbu1]

I understand your point of the following around but being a victim myself of people spreading false accusations I can understand his passion....

rbu1, are you referring to my post about having false accusations? if so, please point out where. this thread was to obtain feedback on my setup. in this post i didn't make any references to nyaquatic, nor try to make a biased post towards my 10 gal not having filtration.

I am not saying you made any false accusations. I am only saying that I was a victim of people spreading false information, so if NY Aquatic thinks you are spreading false information he is going to be passionate about it. Hense the reason he is following you around on the boards...

If you want my opinion about your QT it is wrong. A QT should be set up just like a regular tank. It should be allowed to cycle and time given to allow bacteria to establish. There are ways to speed up this process, but relying on water changes to reduce ammonia is a losing battle. Think about it. Lets say your ammonia is at 1 you would have to do a 100% water change to get it to 0. If you do a 50% water change you are only reducing it to .5

 

[JRWOHLER]

Think to get back on track here ... this thread is about QT not NYA.
I personally didn't realize the issue that is going on elsewhere before.
You can keep the ammonia way down with water changes, the tank is going to develop some biological filtration even a bare one. The best way to do it though is as supra said and keep a sponge in your DT or sump then put it in the QT. That is the tried and true method. Run some filter if you can like hob with carbon and you should be good to go.

When it comes to treating illness and what I was thinking about ich in particular BB and no LR is best as you can keep it clean. That is probably why Hawk is able to keep all his parameters in line because his tank is very easy to clean up with water changes.

 

[ryanpal]

I understand your point of the following around but being a victim myself of people spreading false accusations I can understand his passion....

rbu1, are you referring to my post about having false accusations? if so, please point out where. this thread was to obtain feedback on my setup. in this post i didn't make any references to nyaquatic, nor try to make a biased post towards my 10 gal not having filtration.

I am not saying you made any false accusations. I am only saying that I was a victim of people spreading false information, so if NY Aquatic thinks you are spreading false information he is going to be passionate about it. Hense the reason he is following you around on the boards...

If you want my opinion about your QT it is wrong. A QT should be set up just like a regular tank. It should be allowed to cycle and time given to allow bacteria to establish. There are ways to speed up this process, but relying on water changes to reduce ammonia is a losing battle. Think about it. Lets say your ammonia is at 1 you would have to do a 100% water change to get it to 0. If you do a 50% water change you are only reducing it to .5

Rbu1, I agree with you about spreading false information, hence why I made the diplomatic unbiased posts that I made.

What you're saying about the QT setup makes sense. I do not plan on cutting corners in this hobby. Based on various posts I do see that filtration is important. To be honest, even if only 10% of the posts said to use filtration I would plain on adding it to my setup if it would help provide a better environment for the fish.

I don't believe my setup would cause the death of the angler within 3/4 days. I offered to send my water to Michael but he said it wasn't necessary. Please be advised, I QT'ed a copperband the very same way a year ago. This fish is more delicate than an angler. So while my QT could use improvement I don't believe it is the reason why the angler died that quickly.